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title: "EP #161 The Future of AI Avatars and DeepFake Technology w/ Joshua Xu & Steve Brown"
description: In this episode Joshua Xu dives into HeyGen, the future of AI avatars, and Steve Brown displays a use case for AI clones.
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# [EP #161 The Future of AI Avatars and DeepFake Technology w/ Joshua Xu & Steve Brown](https://www.diamandis.com/podcast/joshua-xu-steve-brown)

 Written by [Peter H. Diamandis](https://www.diamandis.com/podcast/author/peter-h-diamandis) | Apr 3, 2025 7:00:00 AM

In this episode, recorded at the 2025 Abundance Summit, Joshua Xu dives into HeyGen, the future of AI avatars, and Steve Brown displays a use case for AI clones.  

*Recorded on March 10th, 2025*

*Views are my own thoughts; not Financial, Medical, or Legal Advice.*

## YOU WILL LEARN ABOUT

Joshua Xu is the co-founder and CEO of HeyGen, an AI-powered video creation platform revolutionizing how businesses produce content by making video production significantly faster, cheaper, and scalable across languages. With a background in software engineering at Meta and Bloomberg LP, Xu brings deep technical expertise to his role, driving HeyGen’s rapid growth to over $35 million in annual recurring revenue. A graduate of Duke University with a degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, he’s passionate about leveraging AI to democratize high-quality video communication for companies around the world.

Steve Brown is a technologist and filmmaker passionate about media and innovation that strengthen human connection and sustainability. With a Physics degree from Stanford, he’s founded and sold two tech startups and developed award-winning documentaries. As Chief AI Officer at Abundance360, he builds tools that help people harness AI and exponential tech for creativity and impact.

Learn more about HeyGen: [https://www.heygen.com/ ](https://www.heygen.com/)

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